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Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:02 pm
by MostMint
Within the past week I spent some time on the rear drivetrain/suspension.

One of the rear hubs had free play in it (was on the LR in the crash). I also discovered a small piece of the plastic inner fender that was apparently rubbing on the RR tire. Removal of the rear shocks did not uncover any obvious problems so I won't know if that is fixed until I driver it next.
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It took probably 3-4 hours to replace the RR hub and both shocks. At least half of that was the hub. I left the halfshaft in and did not disassemble the suspension. This adds complexity as there is not much room to reach the bolts. The rear hub looks like it has a rectangle shape pattern but really the top 2 bolts are a little closer together, which I learned while installing it.

I plan to quiet this thing down with some mufflers, so I went to work gathering some info. The exhaust pipes are 2.25" OD. I have a pair of Flowmaster knockoffs that are 2.25" ID. I'm a little concerned these are going to be too loud, but they will be better than straight pipes that are on there now. I have a pair of Flowmaster 50 series that I could use also, though they are 2.5" ID. The knockoffs are short enough they would fit in the back where the stock resonators would go, making for a much easier install. The 50 series are longer so it seems likely they would have to go underneath and require a lot more work to fit in. I have one other option - a rust free Charger exhaust that came on Rachel's car - its about 3 1/2" longer than the Challenger system, but I think that is in front of the muffler so it might be an easy adapt. More to come on this.
The other silver one still on the high shelf
The other silver one still on the high shelf
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Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 5:49 pm
by MostMint
Went to work on exhaust. Decided to put the 2.25" Flowmaster knockoffs in back. Cut the welds to remove the muffler replacement pipes on the car (recall prior owner had converted it to all straight pipe) and started fitting in the mufflers. The knockoffs will fit back there but they had offset inlet and center outlet which put the outlet in a bad spot. I was ready to pull the trigger on a new pair with offset outlet, but before I did I though maybe I should check Facebook Marketplace.

As it turns out there was a used complete cat-back Flowmaster American Thunder series system available for $100. These kits are over $900 new. It was in Painesville so BP acquired it for me. The seller said the wrong kit was sent for her 2023 Challenger R/T, so the installers made it work, but in the end she didn't like the sound. She also threw in the stock system. Both systems had been cut when being removed.
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As it turns out the kit she had was from a 2014 Challenger not the 2023 Challenger. The part # she provided said it was 3" pipes which confused me for a bit, but with a little digging on the Holley site I was able to figure it out. This system has 2.5" pipes which I liked a lot better for the V6. Flowmaster offers a kit for the V6 which has 2.5" pipes which helps my confidence this is good size for this application. The difference of the older kit is how the exhaust tips work. This kit has ball type tips which would fit into the stock tips, whereas the newer kit would have dual outlet tips on both sides.

In order to fit this kit to the car, there are two issues - adapting to stock downpipes and exhaust tips. The downpipes on the car are 2.25" OD and the inlet for the catback system is 2.5" ID. My plan is to shorten these a bit and install an adapter. I was able to locate stainless steel adapters to fit both ends. I'll address the tips once the rest of the system is installed so I can see how tailpipes align with the openings in the bumper cover.
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The other issue is reassembling the tailpipes since they had been cut just past the muffler. Unfortunately in addition to the band clamps the installer had put several welds in to hold the pipe in place in the muffler. At first I was fairly critical of the installer, but reading the install instructed from Flowmaster I learned they actually recommend this to keep the system from moving. I took the time to grind those off, and re-align the separated pieces. These are currently with Kurt to get welded back together.
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The mufflers in the American Thunder Series are Super 40. I expect them to still be loud but hopefully interior sound at cruising speeds will be a lot better. This is the exact same system on Rachel's Charger so it'll be interesting to compare the sound between the V6 and V8 through the same system. There are mufflers that can be a little quieter in same dimensions as a fallback option.

Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:37 pm
by MostMint
Flowmaster exhaust has been installed.

At the front end of the cat-back system, I trimmed off some of the pipe so I could install some 2 1/4" OD to 2 1/2" ID stainless adapters, since the system is 2 1/2 and the factory pipe is 2 1/4". Factory pipe is 2 1/2" and it steps down to 2 1/4" for the join. The 2 1/4" end was a bit loose fitting so I slotted the adapter just like the stock exhaust so it can compress a bit and tighten up.

Kurt welded up the tailpipes - undoing the cut that was done on each side to remove from prior vehicle. Also had to weld up some cuts at the back end of the tail pipe. Looks like a ball socket back there so there was some grinding to smooth out the welds. I'm holding out hope I can install stock exhaust tips.
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The install was fairly straightforward after all the up front prep work. I had to bend the rear brackets about 1/2" forward to get the bracket bolt to line up.

The fit is pretty good. The only issue left is the ball socket on the end of the tailpipe is about 1.5" too close to the bumper cover. I don't have the stock exhaust tips right now so I can address this later.

It sounds better though I won't really know until I drive it if these mufflers are doing what I want.
out with the old straight pipes
out with the old straight pipes
the 23 Challenger has baffles in exhaust that are solenoid activated
the 23 Challenger has baffles in exhaust that are solenoid activated
23 Challenger stock resonators
23 Challenger stock resonators

Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:57 pm
by MostMint
Today I had some time so I went to work adjusting the driver door window. It was a simple matter of removing the inside panel and raising up the window on the track just a bit.

Also took a minute to get a picture of the exhaust in back as it sits right now:
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I've also had a couple opportunities to drive the car with the new exhaust. The sound is sooo much more refined than the straight pipes. I think this will do what I want and make it easier to carry on a conversation while driving. If not I still have the option to change mufflers to Delta Flow 40's

Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:13 pm
by MostMint
With the mild weather we had a few weeks back I had a chance to drive the car on an hour trip in the rain.

The passenger wiper clicks every time the wiper moves from the down position. It wipes fine but I'm wondering if the inners of the wiper have a crack or something.

The rear suspension is still not right. It almost feels like bump steer. I'm not certain what is wrong yet but the leading candidate is the sway bar, since it is the only part back there that has not been replaced. I'm guessing its a little bent and putting a preload on one side.

Yesterday I had it out of the garage and snapped a couple pics. It's not clean but I always like the contrast against the snow on a sunny day.
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Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2025 10:02 pm
by MostMint
Made one minor fix - the wiper clicking was resolved by replacing part of the wiper. There is an adapter that connects the wiper to the wiper arm and fortunately the wipers from the parts car had the same adapter.
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With the weather starting to break I drove it a couple times last week. With that the car has crossed 1000 miles since I got it.
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Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:19 pm
by MostMint
Had a little time last week so I started looking into the rear sway bar. I jacked up the car and disconnected the left side from the knuckle. With both rear wheels at maximum suspension travel the bolt had almost no tension on it and the bolt hole in the stabilizer link basically lined up with the attaching point on the knuckle.

Putting the car back on the ground uncovered put the now unattached sway bar at least two inches low on the driver side.
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Further inspection finds a noticeable difference in the gap between the chassis at the bottom of the inner fender and the rear sway bar.
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I decided to drive it without the stabilizer link on driver side. I kept the passenger side one on the just to keep the sway bar from slipping down while driving and rubbing on the suspension. Now it pretty much drives like there is no rear sway bar. I am not 100% sure this is the problem but it does not seem to throw the car as much on uneven surfaces.

The question is what to do next. In order to remove this bar the rear subframe has to come down. I have to decide if I want a stock swaybar, one from an R/T or other stock bar, or an aftermarket. I also have to weigh the additional effort of completely replacing the whole subframe (removal is probably 50% of the work) to eliminate that as a variable. Literally all the other rear suspension parts were wrecked and while the subframe looked OK its possible a small amount of damage is messing up the suspension in some other way. The front subframe was like $200 so its not a big expense. I'm still contemplating....

I took the car for a hour + each way trip to a poker game, and to my surprise it averaged 28 mpg. I thought that was pretty good for a 3800 lb 300 horsepower car with less than spectacular drag coefficient - the marvels of VVT and electronic engine mgt systems
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And finally - when I bought the Flowmaster exhaust it came with a stock exhaust also. Yesterday I was able to sell that exhaust for a little more than I paid for both systems, so the Flowmaster system is free.
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Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 11:25 am
by MostMint
I made some cosmetic changes. Most years of Dodge Challenger have the Dodge badging on the back and the Challenger badging in the grill. In 1971 it had the reverse. The 70's versions had Challenger badging on the front fenders as well, sometimes Dodge badge on the hood, sometimes Dodge badge on the decklid as well.
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Before
Before
Since this car was missing all badging when I got it, I wanted to put something in back. I decided on the classic script Challenger badge a while back. Yesterday I made it happen
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I had planned to get the classic Dodge badge for the grille but did not locate an OEM replacement. I did some searching looking for a good Dodge emblem. Plan was to grab one off a minivan or a Nitro or something at the junkyard, but then Rachel's car was in for front end repair, and they left the Dodge emblem on the console, and I was able to test fit it to the car.

To make this happen it soon became apparent the entire front bumper cover needed to come off the car, as there was no access to the back of the grille to remove the Challenger emblem or bolt on the Dodge emblem.
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With the 2017 Challenger emblem out of the grille I had a debate about which Challenger emblem to put in back, but in the end the vintage won out probably because Rhonda liked it better.

Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:13 pm
by Basement Paul
Nice subtle upgrades!

-BP

Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 12:26 am
by MostMint
Made some repairs on the passenger door. There is a gap between the window and the seal which I addressed by removing the outer seal and adjusting the metal a bit. After that I removed the interior door panel to reinstall the the sound deadener/water barrier I forgot to put in when I was reassembling the car.
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I also added a Dodge decal on the back of the spoiler.
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Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:04 am
by MostMint
Mileage: 79798

“service stability control” fix

I really thought this was going to be something with a wheel sensor, but instead the scan tool gave me a C0042-62 – which is the ECU sensing pressure in the brake system from the ABS but not getting a signal from the brake switch.
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I broke the original brake switch on disassembly, so I put in one from the parts Charger. I’ve driven it like 1700 miles and this situation happens occasionally. I got out the scan tool and confirmed .91v coming back from the sensor with no foot on the brake.
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BP found a web page online that suggested intermittent problems with the tilt/telescope and a few other things can be caused by bad connection with the backup camera. Seemed odd, but it was a quick item to check and the connection looked good. The trunk had been taped down sitting outside for months with battery acid on the floor, so I figured it was plausible there could be a problem there.
I learned that when replacing this switch you are supposed to calibrate it to the computer. It took me a while to figure out how to get my scan tool to do this. With the limited driving I’ve done so far the issue has not recurred.

tilt/telescoping wheel not working

At first my thoughts were that something did not get hooked up when I put the car back together. So I took the bottom of the dash off on the driver side and looked around – didn’t see anything obvious. I located the fuses for this system and checked them but both were good. I looked through the car setup screen to see if there were any options for this but there were none, and the owner manual said nothing about any special restrictions (like key on) to make it work. With the scan tool I was able to determine that when I tried the controls for the tilt/telescope functions the signal was being transmitted, which meant it was something between the switch and the steering column.
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The service manual I have has a lot of detail but no table of contents, which makes finding things a hassle. I wasted a lot of time looking through it for the “service stability control” problem, but this one was fairly easy since “telescop” was not too common in the manual. What I found is there is a memory seat module under the driver seat that is part of the chain between the controls and the column. Since I had replaced the seats with some from a base model which did not have power tilt or heat/cooled seats, it did not have this module. At first I considered moving the seat covers and side airbag to the old seats, but upon disassembly I learned the driver seat frame that came with the car was bent in the crash.
the memory seat module and associated wiring harness
the memory seat module and associated wiring harness
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I ended up moving the wiring harness and the module from the bent up seat onto the replacement seat.
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And a completely unrelated pic:
looks mint from here
looks mint from here

Re: 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT - Mostmint #45

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:18 pm
by MostMint
Couple minor updates:

1) The RF had a slow leak. I finally got tired of it and looked at it. I found a tiny bead leak that had something sticking out. With a little help from the tire machine I moved the bead down and found a piece of rag in there. I had used that rag to keep the machine from damaging the rim.
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2) Oil change at 79877. First oil change for this car since I bought it. I'm closing in on 2k miles since the rebuild, and its been almost three years since the last oil change. Also I really have no idea what oil was put into this car, so I wanted to make sure it met OEM standards. I checked the oil before draining it and it was just at the bottom of the safe range.
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The 3.6 V6 has the oil sump and drain plug at the front end of the pan, and the canister oil filter is mounted up top dead center in front of the intake manifold. Some gorilla put the oil pan drain plug on, but it came off without breaking or stripping anything.
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The filter didn't have any metal in it, and the oil looked OK. Measuring the volume of drain oil showed it only had 4.5 quarts in a 6 quart system. Adding 6 quarts put the oil right at the top of the safe range. What was interesting is what I would have considered to be a 1/2 quart or maybe a quart low was actually 1.5 quarts low.